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Charter proposal

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Charter did not pass. centrist16 | Talk | | 15:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Goldentrash has proposed a charter for adoption/ratification on the Constructed Worlds Wiki at-large for the purposes of codifying and formalizing wiki and server administration. He has proposed the creation of a presidency and a council, as well as a system of project administrators and moderators. A notice has been given on the official Discord server and on this site's wiki notice which will last until March 18, 2020. The purpose of this discussion at the Village pump is for transparency, documentation, and community input. NOTHING SAID HERE WILL BE TAKEN OR CONSIDERED A BINDING VOTE. Actual voting for the charter should be submitted at the actual link provided earlier. However, for organizational purposes, users may share what they have voted for and discuss their rationale, as well as their general thoughts on the matter. centrist16 | Talk | | 07:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose Mythopoeia Goldentrash has actively sought to deprive editors of their hard work by seeking to forcibly seize users pages through community votes. Will he take your pages next?

Oppose Emalia (talk)

Discussion

• This is an absolute farce, we don't need a change of leadership on the wiki. Justin is still around and continues to update and edit the wiki on a daily basis. His leadership is indispensable and the need for a second bureaucrat (or just allowing Travis to be the sole bureaucrat) is very unnecessary. There is no need for a referendum and everyone can see the power jockeying at play here. If we actually wanted a president of impartiality it would be Centrist. If this vote is to go through it will most certainty mean the downfall of this wiki. VOTE NO on this dictatorial charter. Mythopoeia
  • Due to the technical limitations of Miraheze, Justin would retain his Bureaucrat status and would in essence act as a final check on both my authority and every subsequent president. This charter aims to formalize the status quo while providing a system for resolving disputes that arise within projects and with administration of the server and wiki. This current system of bickering back and forth with no agreed upon rules to look towards is highly inefficient and is unproductive. i ii ii i _ (talk) 08:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Then there is absolutely no point for you to be president and dictate who is moderator and who generates the rules. If anything, Centrist should generate those moderators/individuals to create the rules, or hell make the regulations himself. You are clearly not in a state of impartiality to be the at the helm of this site. Mythopoeia
• GoldenTrash should not be made the head of the site. Although I am a relatively new user I have experienced firsthand some of his decisions, and have learned much about the situation from fellow users. The general consensus across the community seems to be that GoldenTrash should have less authority not more, as his partial leadership thus far has divided the community greatly. On Discord he has been made head and in recent times many of Conworld's users have been banned or voluntarily quit as a result. At this time I have gathered that the "official" discord run by him only has a few active users, while splinter discords have upwards of 30 users, and are far more active if you seek Conworlding discussion. GoldenTrash has wrongfully and unfairly banned many users from his server, including myself, without a clear explanation or reason. He has banned many users who defended me or were opposed to unfair banning in general. I fear that if he is made head of the miraheze site he will have free range to ban me and others arbitrarily just as he has on discord. I fear that his leadership will spell a similar pattern here as it has on discord, with most of the users quitting or fleeing to other sites. I am content with the current situation in which Centrist is the head of the wiki, and if anything I feel like GoldenTrash should have less power (here and/or on discord). I am strongly against him being the "president" and having the power to appoint moderators and do as he sees fit. Emalia (talk) 08:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

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Server Reformation

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Resolution failed and rendered moot. centrist16 | Talk | | 15:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Goldentrash as Discord bureaucrat and transfer of duties and server ownership to Centrist16.

A second is required for community ballots to be collected.

Votes

Aye

• Emalia (talk) 07:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
• Mythopoeia (Talk) 08:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
• Dev27 (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
• Candiesrgood (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

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Promotion of Andy Irons to adminship

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Consensus is clear, which includes administrative support. The promotion of Andy Irons as an administrator is approved. Centrist16 | Talk |

Hello everyone,

User:Andy Irons has been with us for quite some time now and has demonstrated a long-standing commitment to our community. He is an author of much importance in our community's longest-lasting active project Altverse II and a major driver of that project's longevity. He is highly communicative, exceptionally positive, and a friendly member of our community well liked by all who have the pleasure to engage with him. He is an upstanding member of this community and is well suited to become the next member of our admin team.

In moving forward with a revitalized commitment to our core values of cooperation and consensus, Andy Irons' potential promotion is being put on the Pump for feedback from the community. Please keep your comments respectful and civil. Please keep any and all discussion SOLELY related to the promotion of Andy Irons. Disrespectful or off-topic comments will be removed without notice. Please sign any comments with four tildes, as per usual (i.e., ~~~~). Thank you for your understanding.

Support

• Fizzyflapjack (talk) 16:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
• T0oxi22 (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
• Screwhorn (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
• Mythopoeia (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support From day one, Andrew has been one of our strongest and most dedicated writers. He has my fullest resounding support and I am confident he will be an excellent part of the administration team. Centrist16 | Talk | 03:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

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Demotion of Mythopoeia from adminship

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The demotion was an uncontested matter and done in compliance with the petitioner's request. Centrist16 | Talk |

Support

• Mythopoeia (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support Out of respect for the petitioner's request, I would consider this a formal resignation and an uncontestable act. Centrist16 | Talk | 03:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

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Promotion of T0oxi22 to adminship

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Consensus is clear, which includes administrative support. The promotion of T0oxi22 as an administrator is approved.

Hello everyone,

T0oxi22 has been one of the finest writers we have ever had. Her creativity, dedication, and versatility has allowed her to produce some of the longest and highest-quality pages this community has ever seen. Since her time here on Conworlds, she has become an indispensable member of the community whose reach spans across several of our wiki's projects including Altverse II, Merveilles des Morte, and Project Exodus. She has demonstrated herself to be a capable, fair, and knowledgeable person whose interests align strongly with the rest of the administration team. She has been extremely helpful as a rollbacker and already has de facto administrative powers on the Discord server. With her most recent creation at the time of this writing, I have kept my word as a promise to her that I would happily nominate and endorse her promotion as administrator. I have absolute confidence that she will help our community grow and succeed with her as a fellow member of the administration team. Disrespectful or off-topic comments will be removed without notice. Please sign any comments with four tildes, as per usual (i.e., ~~~~). Thank you for your understanding.

Support

• Support Centrist16 | Talk | 07:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Javants (talk) 07:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Starsense

• Andy Irons

• Screwhorn (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support Fizzyflapjack (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support Solaris2019Solaris2019 (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

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Promoting Yuker language to Featured article

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Consensus has not been reached. The proposal as it stands has been defeated and will not move forward. Centrist16 | Talk | 21:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I’ve written the article Yuker language and I believe that it should be promoted to a Featured article. Centrist16 has closely followed my development of this article from the beginning, and has already determined it to be worthy of A-class. As the Featured status is supposed to showcase the best articles in the community, I am of the opinion that we are in need of promoting other articles than just national articles. I believe that the article is perhaps the most complete (as in covering all relevant information about the language, not just phonology and grammar) example of an article about a conlang at this moment, at least for a language its size. Erik (talk) 00:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Support

• I believe that the article is written well and exemplifies originality. I believe that starting with this page, we can begin the process of nominating even more articles for featured status, a process which have neglected for years now. There definitely needs to be more featured articles and this one, in my opinion, should be among them. Centrist16 | Talk | 15:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• The article has all the hallmarks of an A-class, and tackles an interesting topic to boot. I would not mind it being on the Featured list. Screwhorn (talk) 15:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Fizzyflapjack (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• Like most works made by the author, this article is beautifully written and deserves to be featured on our site. Andy Irons (talk) 6:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• --Mythopoeia (talk) 01:00, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
• Emalia (talk) 05:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

• I don't mean any offense by this as it's a good article, but in my opinion it's not worthy of featured status. The article as a whole is fairly short compared to example language pages. The grammar section, one of the most important aspects, is very bare and doesn't thoroughly explain how to construct things in the language. Education and culture are also very bare, just a paragraph each, and the article could use sections on orthography, and maybe use in media. T0oxi22 (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• I am very glad that there is more interest in writing conlangs here–especially creole languages, which are among the most fascinating phenomena in terms of historical linguistics. I think the history and explanation of dialectal differences are fairly fleshed out, but so far the grammar is kinda bare! Creoles arise from specific sociohistoric situations and it'll be cool to see how that'll play out in the evolution/development and eventual grammar of Yuker Creole! Candiesrgood (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
• I'm no expert in conlanguage articles, but I feel like Yuker language is A-class because it's generally complete and coherent, but comparatively speaking it seems pretty short and surface-level among existing, non-featured language articles. So among featured articles of Conworlds as a whole, I don't think that's where you want to set the bar Nathan1123 (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Doesn't feel "featured"; multiple sections still need additional elaboration and explanation, though it's current state itself is good and has potential in the future for the coveted featured status. Solace II (talk) 01:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• I second what's been said above - this is a really good article and has some great ideas, but it would be awesome to see it more fleshed out. Most of the featured articles are more than 150,000 bytes in length, while the Yuker language article is only around 30,000 bytes long so far. Don't be disheartened though, this is still a great article and would love to see what you continue to come up with! Javants (talk) 05:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Nathanadrian (talk) 10:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

• Solaris2019 (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Candidate for Featured Article: Oasisamerica

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Consensus has been reached. The article will be featured and a featured blurb will be created and added into the featured articles pool for the main page in due time. Congratulations to @Vandenhoek:! Centrist16 | Talk | 16:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

It is with great pleasure that I would like to propose a vote on the elevation of Oasisamerica (Merveilles des Morte) to the status of Featured Article. This project has an intriguing history on our website, having made its way away and back to our community. This article in particular is written to the highest standard, utilizing a fully encyclopedic tone while also proving an entertaining read. User:Vandenhoek is more than deserving of this distinction. Alongside the writing itself, the article is well-illustrated with both found images and original cartography, something which our community should proudly highlight as a centrepiece of engaging worldbuilding. For too long this work has gone unrecognized and even unrated--I believe it is high time we change this and let the article take it rightful place alongside the other great works of our community. With recently renewed interest in the Merveilles des Morte project, for me this nomination is a no-brainer.

Support

• Support Fizzyflapjack (talk) 21:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• Emalia (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support This is a no-brainer. The article is one of the best articles we've ever had and sets the bar very high for other articles like it. Centrist16 | Talk | 21:30, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• T0oxi22 (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• User:Starsense
• Renereve (talk)
• Support Javants (talk) 23:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support Solace II (talk) 04:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
• Nathan1123 (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
• Andy Irons (talk) 10:57 19 August 2022 (UTC)
• Nathanadrian (talk)

Candidate for Featured Article: Mák’ai language

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Consensus is clear: the nomination passes unopposed. The article will be featured and added to the front page pool of featured articles. Congrats User:Javants! Fizzyflapjack (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

I would like to propose a vote on the elevation of Mák’ai language to the status of Featured Article. There has been a recent general desire among the community to grant more non-nation articles the status of Featured Article to better showcase the breadth of projects undertaken on the wiki, and I believe that the Mák’ai language article is a good candidate for this. The article is the most extensive language article that I know of and is augmented with extensive audio recordings, images, and maps. Additionally, the article also includes three associated pages - Mák’ai language/Lexicon, a dictionary; Mák’ai language/Poetry and songs, a corpus of poetry written in the Mák’ai language); and Book:Mk'anbu mruk'í Mák’ai-wawá!, a textbook for learning the language. I believe nominating this article for Featured Status may be the first step in increasing the breadth of Featured Articles on this wiki, and therein better reflecting the quality and diversity of works within our community.

Support

Support Strongest support. Its official recognition and inclusion as a featured article will be an excellent way to start the new year strong. I am always thoroughly impressed by your works and this article is a true testament to the ingenuity and craftsmanship you have put into this community. Centrist16 | Talk | 08:15, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Nothing else needs to be said. -Mythopoeia (talk) 08:22, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Fizzyflapjack (talk) 13:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

T0oxi22 (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Andy Irons (talk) 11:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Support --Solaris2019 (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Support DatMaster001 (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Nathanadrian (talk) 05:40, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Support D̗íyak! :) Diesel.mov (talk) 18:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)